You know, John Ashcroft, who's not much of a supporter of civil liberties, belongs to a society that supports the institutions of the pre-Civil War South. He has refused to condemn slavery. He flew up here to participate in the press conference indicting Lynne. He left the Department of Justice, he left behind him an 18-foot tall aluminum statue of a lady representing justice whose breasts are bared. Ashcroft caused the expenditure of $8,000 of our dollars to buy drapes to cover this woman, this statue's chest. This is the kind of nuttiness we're dealing with. He has charged Lynne with aiding and abetting terrorism. You know, we have an adversarial justice system in this country. . . . Ashcroft now, through his own edict, wants to be able to, and is, spying on and recording the conversations of defendants and their attorneys. It's that conversation for which he has caused Lynne to be indicted and about which you'll hear more in the course of this panel.

But we're moving in a direction where the police and the state are more and more intertwined and in which we have less and less of a chance of organizing ourselves in our defense, witness indicting an attorney for representing a client. We're moving in that direction. That's the outline of this panel. Each one of our panelists is going to speak about a picture of that.