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(212) 805-0300 7135 4A7MSAT3 1 (Jury not present) 2 MR. TIGAR: Your Honor, we have agreed on an order and 3 at this time I move under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 4 Rule 29(a) for a judgment of acquittal. I would like to serve 5 on the government, and hand it to your Honor, a brief letter 6 that contains the authorities, cases that I will be discussing 7 during my presentation to the Court. 8 May I stand at the lecturn, your Honor? 9 THE COURT: Sure. 10 MR. TIGAR: I would like to begin, your Honor, by 11 talking about some elements of offense issues and then go on to 12 some of the more general questions that we believe are raised 13 by this motion for judgment of acquittal. Talking about the 14 role of the lawyer as the proof has now come in and the role of 15 free expression. 16 I want to begin by talking about Count 2 because as we 17 have repeatedly heard, if there were not Count 2 there could 18 not be a Count 4 and 5. And Count 2 is drawn under section 19 956(a) of Title 18. It alleges a conspiracy to kill or kidnap. 20 THE COURT: Could you hold on just one moment? 21 MR. TIGAR: Of course, your Honor. 22 THE COURT: All right. 23 MR. TIGAR: Thank you, your Honor. 24 Actually, it charges a conspiracy to murder and kidnap 25 persons in "a foreign country." When I mentioned what I was SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7136 4A7MSAT3 1 going to do on Rule 29, I mentioned that we had hoped that the 2 government would tell us what foreign country was involved. 3 And if you will recall, counsel for the government said that 4 the Court had not required that specificity in the indictment, 5 which is true if we look at your Honor's opinion on the 6 pretrial motions at page 303 and 304. The Court said no, you 7 didn't have to say. And I suggest that now is the procedural 8 hour when the government does have to say what foreign country. 9 The indictment alleges a foreign country. 10 And then so the next question is, what is a foreign 11 country? The West Bank is not a foreign country because it is 12 not a country. The struggle was said to have taken place in 13 Palestine. We heard a number of great many exhibits introduced 14 today, including Government Exhibit 542, talking about freeing 15 Palestine and resistance inside Palestine. Jerusalem, another 16 area referred to, either is or is not in a country, depending 17 on whether one takes the view of the government of Israel that 18 it is a part of Israel, or that one takes the majority view 19 under international law that it is not. 20 Now, the Court may pause to ask the question, well, of 21 course, everybody knows what a country is. But everybody 22 doesn't know what a country is. The pleader has charged that 23 it took place in a foreign country. That means that the 24 government has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that wherever 25 this was to take place was foreign and that it was a country. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7137 4A7MSAT3 1 The Second Circuit addressed this issue in a case 2 called Cheung v. United States 213 F.3d 82. In that case, 3 there are a number of authorities of which the federal courts 4 have decided what is a country, what is a sovereign and so on. 5 And the holding of Cheung or the discussion of Cheung makes 6 clear that, first, foreign country, like foreign government, is 7 something as to which the executive branch has the first say by 8 virtue of recognizing an entity; and, second, however, where 9 the matter comes up in a decided case, it is not subject to the 10 political question doctrine because a court must examine the 11 resulting status and decide independently. Cheung is good, in 12 our view, because it cites Chief Justice Marshall's opinion to 13 the Court in the Charming Betsy case in 1804, which is the 14 fountainhead of this doctrine that no federal statute can be 15 interpreted save in accordance with the rules of international 16 law. 17 And the rules of international law are quite clear 18 that whether or not a place in a foreign area is a country or 19 not is a matter that can be attended with some difficulty. The 20 government has not produced any evidence whatever that the 21 murder or kidnap was to take place in something that is a 22 foreign country. 23 When examining this question and to illustrates its 24 nontrivial character, one should look at the statutes as to 25 which 956 is a part. Section 956 is in a chapter of Title 18 SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7138 4A7MSAT3 1 called foreign relations. And many of the statutes in that 2 chapter date back to the dawn of the republic. 3 And indeed provisions that are contained in these 4 statutes are the provisions that Chief Justice Marshall was 5 referring to in construing provisions about arming ships and 6 what was neutral and what was not in the Charming Betsy. For 7 example, Section 961 does not refer to a foreign country. It 8 says: Foreign prince or state, or of any colony, district, or 9 people, or belonging to the subjects or citizens of any such 10 prince or state; that is to say, a much broader term than the 11 term the pleader in the grand jury has chosen here, which is 12 country. 13 And in Cheung itself the issue there was whether Hong 14 Kong possessed sufficient attributes of sovereignty to be a 15 foreign government within the meaning of the Extradition Act. 16 And within the meaning of that act, which is not a criminal 17 statute, of course, subject to the canon of lenity, the court 18 said that Hong Kong did, in part, because the president of the 19 United States had sent to the Senate a treaty of extradition 20 with Hong Kong which the Senate ratified, recognizing that at 21 least for the 50-year period under which China vows not to 22 change the economic system of the former crown colony that Hong 23 Kong would possess that attribute of sovereignty. As I say, 24 this is a matter that has occupied the attention of scholars 25 and it is nontrivial. It occupied the attention of the SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7139 4A7MSAT3 1 drafters of the South African Constitution, of President Nixon 2 in recognizing Taiwan, and so on. 3 Let's assume that a country is not something that the 4 government had to prove. Let's assume that the pleader pleaded 5 it, but for some reason the government is excused from proving 6 it by presenting evidence. The question of what is alleged to 7 be the foreign country is a vital concern here because other 8 principles of international law, which, as I say, ever since 9 1804, the federal courts are bound to apply in construing 10 statutes, become relevant to the construction of this one. 11 Murder, kidnapping, says the indictment. And the statute, 12 Section 956, speaks of murder, kidnapping or maiming. Murder, 13 kidnapping, or maiming are legal terms of art that refer to 14 homicide detention and wounding. Homicide detention and 15 wounding would be the neutral terms. 16 If you look at the statutes of chapter 45 we see that 17 there are many, many instances in which people can agree to 18 kill, wound, and detain people in a foreign country. And 19 whether or not someone is empowered to kill, detain or wound 20 people in a foreign country depends on where that place is. 21 For instance, there is a recognized canon of international law 22 that a state, as a matter of customary international law, 23 cannot interfere in a civil war in another country. By not 24 interfering in a civil war in another country, one might well 25 say that that would include not choosing to prosecute one group SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7140 4A7MSAT3 1 of people who are planning to go abroad and do something, but 2 not prosecute others. 3 And I think everybody in the courtroom is well aware 4 that there are groups of people in the United States today who 5 are preparing, who are training, who are doing things with the 6 benign neglect of the United States to do things in various 7 other countries. And the justification on international law, 8 for example, for not interfering with the planning of Cuban 9 emigrates to reenter their country could only come about if we 10 consider it to be lawful under international law because the 11 United States says that there are certain kinds of killing, 12 wounding, and detaining in other countries that as to which our 13 government simply has to kind of take a hands-off position. 14 This is an unusual concept to talk about because when 15 one reflects that the United States now, and London in the 19th 16 century, were places where all men were emigrates used to get 17 together and talk, it isn't so surprising after all. Unless we 18 are told what country, we can't make a defense as to which we 19 would be entitled under international law, which is well in 20 that country. There is a civil war exception or perhaps one 21 would say that it is not a foreign country because it is a 22 failed state. Is a failed state, a foreign country possessing 23 sufficient attributes of sovereignty to be covered under 956. 24 What is a failed state? United States considered naming Iraq 25 as a failed state simply to deprive it of juridical personality SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7141 4A7MSAT3 1 and thus to be able to repudiate its debts. 2 There are other cases that one can imagine, not 3 particularly relevant here, but that it seems to us go vitally 4 to the interpretation of this statute, including the Article II 5 power of Congress to grant others of mark and reprisal. But 6 all of that is discussed in the Charming Betsy case. 7 In looking up this issue, I looked at Judge Brinkema's 8 decision, which was not before the Court. She decided it, but 9 for some reason we didn't have it, back in March of 2004 in 10 United States v. Kahn, which is cited in the letter that I've 11 handed up to the Court. And in Kahn the government did charge 12 that those defendants were involved in violating 2339 -- I 13 can't remember if it was (a) or (b) because they went and they 14 were going to do something in India, a country with which the 15 United States was at peace. And that was a part of the statute 16 there charged and Judge Brinkema made the charge that indeed 17 India was the place and United States was at peace with India. 18 Now, let's assume that it is not something that the 19 government has to prove. Let's assume that it is not something 20 the government has to name because it might give rise to a 21 defense under international law. Why else? Why should we do 22 it? 23 This is a segue to some of the broader considerations 24 that are here. The last group of exhibits that we had here 25 reflects the terrible danger that all of these defendants face, SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7142 4A7MSAT3 1 a danger which from time to time we have said that no limiting 2 instruction can save them from. And that is the danger, that 3 this case will, in the juror's minds, be a case about them 4 versus us, a case that somehow there is a Muslim conspiracy out 5 there to kill all the Christians and the Jews, that Osama Bin 6 Laden is a part of it and that anybody connected in any way 7 with it must be involved. It is the same kind of error that we 8 had to struggle so hard to liberate ourselves from in the 1950s 9 when the rubric was the worldwide communist conspiracy. 10 And the concepts then were tried to be directed to 11 individual defendants like Mr. Noto and Mr. Scales and the 12 defendants in Yates, all of those cases we have talked about 13 with your Honor. This is -- the risk here is that the jurors 14 will see this international conspiracy to fight the enemies of 15 God or somebody's version of enemies of God, and will think or 16 believe that that's the conspiracy, that it is a worldwide 17 amorphous, vague conspiracy. 18 And, of course, the next step is that since we read 19 about it every day and since all the candidates for major 20 public office speak in terms as though it existed, how can 21 Ms. Stewart not know that it exists? We can argue that she 22 certainly can't know that it exists because she reads the New 23 York Times. After all, the Times and the other papers are not 24 admitted for the truth of what is in there. They are admitted 25 only for her knowledge, intent, and state of mind. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7143 4A7MSAT3 1 But she is not on trial just for her knowledge, 2 intent, and state of mind, although that is relevant to the 3 case. She is on trial and can be convicted, if at all, because 4 an act was committed. The act in a conspiracy case, whether it 5 be Count 1, Count 2, or Count 4, is the act of agreement. And 6 Judge Friendly wrote in Borelli of this terrible risk that 7 people are likely to confuse the group of people doing things 8 with this understanding if the agreement is the essence of the 9 offense. 10 So the vagueness that is attended by excusing the 11 government from standing up and saying we said a foreign 12 country, that's what the grand jury said, we have proved it, 13 and, lo and behold, this is what we claim it is, makes it 14 impossible for Ms. Stewart to defend on Count 4, either 15 actually or as a practical matter because she can't figure out, 16 and we can't talk to this jury about what she was and was not 17 aware of if the government hasn't told us this is what you're 18 supposed to be aware of, this is what you are charged with 19 being aware of, this is the place where it occurred, and these 20 were the people that are doing it. 21 Now, that is to say, in order for her to desire that 22 any of the charged conspiracies succeed -- and I'm talking 23 particularly about the Count 4 one, although it goes to all of 24 them, she has to know what it is. This leads me then to this 25 somewhat broader view of conspiracy and what this case, from SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7144 4A7MSAT3 1 our perspective, is about. 2 It is two and a half years since I first -- almost two 3 and a half years since I first appeared before your Honor in 4 this case, two and a half years since I met Ms. Stewart for the 5 first time. Throughout the case the government has worn the 6 mantle of antiterrorism, and I trust that this Court doesn't 7 accord that any more weight than simply an identification of 8 these prosecutors as engaged in an important public function. 9 And the Court has consistently respected the fact that 10 we on our side are as much charged with fighting terrorism, 11 fighting invasion of rights, fighting the unlawful exercise of 12 power as are the government lawyers, and we, too, recognize -- 13 and I certainly do personally, based on my own experience -- 14 that Luxor, with which we are not charged, but it was 15 unequivocally a violation of secular and biblical law. 16 And as I've said to the Court, for 30 years I've been 17 representing the victims of terrorism. I think there is a 18 fundamental difference of view here. There are groups in the 19 world who seek to change the policies of their government and 20 of adjacent governments by resorting to violence. That is 21 true. And some of that violence violates the laws of their own 22 country or the country in which they seek to do their conduct. 23 And nation's states acquire the obligation to render to the 24 appropriate sovereign fugitives who are said to have violated 25 those laws. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7145 4A7MSAT3 1 But there are equally provisions of law that say that 2 those who have planned and who execute violence are excused 3 from criminal liability. I have mentioned some of those 4 provisions, Civil War. I filed with the Court previously 5 evidence that CIA agents routinely kidnap people. We have had 6 Judge Livingston's decision that there is torture and nobody is 7 punished for it under the laws of Egypt. I cite in the papers 8 Chief Justice Story's opinion in the Amistad, which is very 9 interesting, but the Amistad took place in the context of an 10 international incident involving Spain, Portugal, and the 11 United States, and he said that as a matter of the law of 12 nations, those defendants, those Africans could not be punished 13 for piracy. 14 These people, who are these people that are going to 15 do violence, they have the right to counsel. They have the 16 right to counsel not only to defend them when they are charged, 17 but inevitably people who discuss the prospect of activity that 18 may hurt others, often consult lawyers. And I am not going to 19 repeat all of the examples we gave in our papers about the 20 autonomy to which lawyers are entitled. 21 But there is a chasm here between our position and the 22 government's about this. The Court may recall the debate over 23 the Cutack Commission report in 1982. And it was the position, 24 for example, of the business round table in Weil Gotshal 25 representing them that lawyers should be able to meet with the SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7146 4A7MSAT3 1 corporate client, for example, planning the issuance of a new 2 drug to treat arthritis. That was their favorite example. And 3 the container was either going to be child proof or not. And 4 if it was child proof, the arthritis sufferers couldn't open 5 it. But if it wasn't, children might open it and might be sick 6 or die. 7 And the question of what the company's liability would 8 be in that instance was something that was regarded as within 9 the lawyer's function, and the reporter's recommendation to the 10 contrary was rejected; that is to say, people meet with lawyers 11 under circumstances where they discuss harm. The president of 12 the United States has lawyers who say, well, you can do 13 torture, but you can't have people stand up for more than a 14 certain number of hours per day. 15 With specific reference to this case, I have never 16 been in a case regarding a public figure, your Honor, in which 17 you didn't read the newspapers or provide the newspapers or see 18 that the newspapers were provided to the client so the client 19 could make intelligent determinations. And yet the government 20 is saying that's a violation of the SAMs. I have never been in 21 a case where an incarcerated client, or isolated, where we 22 didn't provide information about the client's supporters and 23 people who were outside who might have something to do with 24 providing professional legal services; in this case, getting 25 the Sheikh to a prison in another country. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7147 4A7MSAT3 1 And to read the SAMs as prohibited, the provision of 2 legal services in these ways is at war with the autonomy of 3 lawyers in the sense that I have described it as the matter of 4 the proof in this case. It is also at war with basic 5 principles of federalism as I have pointed out in my memorandum 6 in support of the motions to dismiss. 7 An illustration of how far the government is willing 8 to go to catch Lynne Stewart is, we found out that some of 9 these newspaper articles, which had to did with Sheikh Abdel 10 Rahman's situation, people in Egypt, in an ongoing situation 11 where there really was discussion about getting him out of the 12 United States and into an Egyptian prison, they had to stand up 13 and say or they had to claim that because Ramsey Clark, the 14 former Attorney General of the United States, said you can do 15 that and that's okay and I signed the SAM and I say you can do 16 it, he must be a conspirator, too. 17 And Abdeen Jabara, founder of the American 18 Antidiscrimination Committee, he said you could do it and he 19 surely understood and he has got to be a coconspirator, too. A 20 theory that criminalizes lawyer conduct in that way that 21 broadly simply has to be wrong because it is fraught not simply 22 with the peril that the lawyers have shown, but with the idea 23 that a group of Assistant United States Attorneys can now 24 redefine what it means to practice law. It is interesting. 25 In this town it used to be the terrorists were the SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7148 4A7MSAT3 1 IRA. There were these trials and there were these people that 2 Mr. Doherty, who was there, Judge Sprizzo says he couldn't be 3 extradited. One of the great lawyers that represented all 4 these alleged terrorists and who stood up and spoke to the 5 Northern Irish Aide was Paul O'Dwyer. The reason I thought of 6 this, I was having coffee yesterday morning and I looked across 7 the street and they named the street in front of the courthouse 8 after him. And then Mayor Dinkins named the street over by the 9 MDC Joe Doherty Way until Mayor Giuliani took the sign down. I 10 don't say that lightly or make a pleasantry. It is to talk 11 about context and talk about the risks we feel we face. 12 Now, that brings me to the other part. Your Honor 13 held conformably to Dennis and Bryson that we would not be able 14 to make a frontal challenge to the validity of the SAMs, just 15 that the Dennis defendants were not able to challenge in their 16 371 conspiracy to defraud prosecution, the constitutionality of 17 section 9(h) of the Taft-Hartley act, and that's the law of the 18 case. 19 But there is no case under Section 371 that deprives a 20 defendant of the right at motion for judgment of acquittal time 21 of the ability to make and have interpreted a First Amendment 22 argument about the content of particular expression, especially 23 when that particular expression consists of speech that relates 24 to core concerns. Speech that relates to core concerns may at 25 times be very, very violent indeed, it being recognized that SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7149 4A7MSAT3 1 people who are the victims of torture, summary execution, 2 hostage taking, all of the things that have been laid at the 3 feet of the Egyptian government and in a judgment to which the 4 United States was a party and did not appeal and is therefore 5 bound by, in some sense of the word, that they may react in 6 certain ways. That's just a reality, your Honor, and we have 7 cited Hess v. Indiana, kill the pigs, kill the pigs. We have 8 cited Yates. We have cited Watts. If you give me a gun, I 9 want to kill the president. There are a lot of not pretty 10 things that are said by people who are engaged in this kind of 11 struggle. 12 We recognize that in the very case in the Second 13 Circuit, the Rahman case, the court said, well, no, not 14 standing in the kitchen with Mr. Salem and saying blow things 15 up. That's not what that is about. Once we get all this 16 newspaper reading and so on out of the way -- again, I say -- I 17 represented, your Honor, the only city member of the United 18 States Senate ever to have been acquitted by a jury, and the 19 idea that in the course of preparing that case we couldn't read 20 the newspapers every day would be surprising. 21 What did Ms. Stewart do? Let's look at the statement. 22 Let's look at that. She goes to the prison. She has a 23 discussion. Mr. Yousry translates before what he is going to 24 read. That is what the approved by means. Ms. Stewart and 25 Mr. Yousry don't want the guards to interrupt them. So the SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7150 4A7MSAT3 1 fact that he is doing a lot of talking and she is not, she does 2 engage in some behavior that make sure the guards don't listen 3 in. She remarks there seems to be a lot of guards around 4 today. 5 I hope the government doesn't continue to persist on 6 that point, because I might have to turn myself in. Because 7 every time I have ever gone to a prison in a high-profile case, 8 I have tried to do things to keep the guards from hearing what 9 we talk about. I regard that as normal, whether it is to take 10 a radio in or write things or not say things or even say things 11 that divert. We take that and put it to one side. 12 Let's see what happens at that visit. This is a 13 conversation in Government Exhibit 1711, your Honor, at page 31 14 of the transcript provided to us. And that's the May 20 15 conversation. And that's at a point where they are discussing 16 what Abu Yasir wants. And at page 31, line 3 Mr. Yousry says: 17 Abu Yassir is asking unintelligible, wants your approval that 18 he can escalate with the media and try to rearrange the 19 thinking of. Escalate with the media. Concerning what? The 20 initiative completely. 21 Line 9: Tell him, yes, I agree, but not to cancel it. 22 He should not cancel it all together, not to void it. He can 23 go ahead and escalate, referring to escalating with the media. 24 Then Ms. Stewart on the 14th of June 2000 talks to 25 Mr. Salaheddin and says that the Sheikh withdraws his support SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7151 4A7MSAT3 1 for the initiative or cease fire or whatever, withdraws his 2 support. 3 Let's take it that indeed those are the exact words 4 that she said. Let's understand the context in which the 5 Sheikh is told in prison that the government has once again 6 started killing people and summarily executing them and taking 7 hostages, and minors are being tried by military courts and so 8 on. 9 What does that lead to, your Honor? The government 10 promised us that we were going to get a command to pick up the 11 guns. Nobody in Egypt interpreted it as a command to pick up a 12 gun in the sense that nobody picked one up. The first thing 13 that happened was that Montasser al-Zayyat and the brother in 14 prison said that can't be impossible. Six days later there is 15 a clarification where the Sheikh says, I'm not supporting this 16 thing anymore, but I certainly didn't cancel it. 17 And then in one of these wonderful vindications of 18 John Stewart Mills, a theory of freedom of expression, more 19 speech does the job. Because in fact the questions that Sheikh 20 Omar Abdel Rahman was quoted by Ms. Stewart as raising leads to 21 a reaffirmation of the initiative. That's the First Amendment. 22 As far as the fake fatwah is concerned, she didn't 23 have anything to do with it. When she heard about it, she was 24 surprised. If he is for it, well, that's it; I'm for it, is 25 the language that's quoted. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7152 4A7MSAT3 1 The idea that you stick people with particular words 2 in casual conversation is a strange one. The likely meaning is 3 if she did it she would have to defend it. She never did 4 anything about it or spread it or anything else. That doesn't 5 quite seem fair. 6 Then, of course, there is the statement about insulin, 7 your Honor, which the government is also relying. Wow. The 8 son and the wife of the Sheikh get concern about his medical 9 treatment. A guard at the prison says he is not taking his 10 insulin. Ms. Stewart is barred from seeing her client. She 11 has no idea what's happening except that she does know from her 12 experience that a number of things have happened in that prison 13 that are very disturbing, that the Sheikh, they approach him 14 when he is naked, they look at his body. They do things that 15 are insulting to a Muslim. 16 Dr. Edward, he doesn't even know what Hallal food is. 17 I am not going to go into all of the details. There is some 18 failure of communication. Dr. Edward, he did say that. As far 19 as Ms. Stewart is concerned, she doesn't know anything. 20 Mr. Sattar is calling her. What does she say? Nobody on the 21 outside knows. What is she supposed to do? Tell us what is 22 her legal duty when she hears third-hand hearsay about 23 something that is attributed to her client? 24 Can it really be said she has an enforceable legal 25 duty to intercede in a matter where she is prohibited from SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7153 4A7MSAT3 1 seeing her client to make sure that no false reports get to the 2 press? Is it now a federal crime to say things in public that 3 arguably might cause danger? We can all think about that for a 4 minute. In a day and time when there are so many revelations 5 about so many things that were said to the press that have 6 caused the deaths of so many and turned out to be false, it 7 does not lie with this executive branch, your Honor, to give us 8 lessons on telling falsehoods to the media. 9 In short, your Honor, nothing in the history of 371, 10 not the Klein case, not Professor Goldstein's wonderful article 11 about the Klein case, or any of the other cases says that we 12 can't look at the First Amendment here. And if we can't, we 13 suggest that we must. I note this, your Honor. In the Cosa 14 Nostra cases the government usually had an expert that would 15 say, you know, this is the Cosa Nostra. This is how they are 16 organized. These are the dangers they create. 17 THE COURT: The government knows I have not been a fan 18 of experts such as that subject. There was no effort to 19 introduce such an expert and it is simply not in a case. 20 MR. TIGAR: Your Honor, I take seriously what your 21 Honor says. Had there been one, I would have been the first 22 one to say, under the Second Circuit's recent decisions, the 23 expert can't testify. Then we ask ourselves, what is the 24 evidence, what is the evidence about conditions in Egypt that 25 the government did introduce? Well, there is Judge SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7154 4A7MSAT3 1 Livingston's opinion about the torture. There is Judge 2 Livingston's opinion that the FBI overvalues its intelligence 3 sources. There are human rights country conditions reports. 4 There is the State Department's own report. The government 5 introduced two State Department reports in evidence but didn't 6 read them to the jury. You know what those reports say, your 7 Honor? The Egyptian people have no meaningful opportunity to 8 change their government by peaceful means. Two government 9 exhibits. 10 I represented people. I sat in rooms in South Africa 11 with people that I knew also were engaged in some way, 12 connected in some way to the arms struggle. That was what 13 lawyers are supposed to do, your Honor. 14 Finally, I'd like to talk a little bit about these 15 1001 counts. That's a technical thing. 16 Excuse me, your Honor, one more thing. Judge 17 Brinkema's opinion in the Kahn case is very, very interesting 18 to me because those defendants were charged with providing 19 personnel in the same way that we are. And Judge Brinkema 20 discusses humanitarian law, that case. In that case she 21 defines the provision of personnel in her discussion of 956 and 22 the 2239 in terms of these people going to a training camp and 23 learning how to fire rifles and picking up guns, training in 24 the United States using paintball instead of real weapons. 25 I suggest to the Court that Judge Brinkema's analysis SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7155 4A7MSAT3 1 of the providing personnel part of this offense is worthy of 2 study. And I suggest also that in the context of my discussion 3 of the issues the government has failed to prove that 4 Ms. Stewart provided the Sheikh to a conspiracy. That's an 5 offshoot of my argument about vagueness, provided the Sheikh to 6 a conspiracy. By issuing the statement on June the 14th, 2000? 7 I have talked about that. Thereafter, she was barred for that 8 whole time from August to the following July when she sees him 9 again, so there couldn't be any providing about that. In 10 short, your Honor, we submit the government has failed the 11 proof. 12 The 1001s. The interesting thing, your Honor, about 13 the May 19 and 20 prison visit is that during one of those 14 tapes your Honor can see a document on the table, on the white 15 table cloth and, lo and behold, if you zoom in on it, as I saw 16 it go by, it is the SAM affirmation that Ms. Stewart has 17 already signed. If that's what that evidence shows, and we say 18 that it is, she arrived at the prison in Rochester having 19 signed the SAM. On or about May 16, the SAM affirmation was 20 signed. 21 Now, it is at page 31 of 1711 that we have Sheikh 22 Abdel Rahman saying, well, I want to do this, I want to tell 23 this to Abu Yassir, this, that, and the other thing. So if we 24 discard this idea of making everybody a conspirator about 25 reading newspaper articles, and if that's the SAM that she SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7156 4A7MSAT3 1 allegedly -- that's the false statement, that SAM is the false 2 statement. The SAM affirmation, first of all, it refers to an 3 invalid SAM. The SAM that came attached to the affirmation was 4 the December '99 SAM which only lasted 120 days, and so that 5 couldn't be violated. It then has the typo and everyone says 6 well, that's just a typo. 7 We still insist on those points, but fine. The 8 affirmation is in three parts: One, the past tense; two, the 9 present tense; and, three, the future tense. And the Court 10 dealt with this issue in the Shah discussion, in the Shah case. 11 You said they had to prove the times she signed it she intended 12 to violate it. That simply is an inference that doesn't hold 13 water. She had the signed SAM with her at the visit. She had 14 signed it before. And there simply is not a line, not a word 15 of evidence that she pondered the idea of issuing any media 16 statement until after she left the prison and indeed until 17 after she had a meeting with Mr. Jabara and Mr. Clark until 18 after she talked about it, until somebody came to her office. 19 They called Mr. Salaheddin on the 14th. The same thing could 20 be said about Count 7. 21 THE COURT: I'm sorry? The reporter didn't get it. 22 MR. TIGAR: The same thing could be said about Count 23 7, your Honor. We have cited cases and I have spoken longer, 24 perhaps, than people do in Rule 29(a) motions, being thought in 25 some places as kind of a vestigial rambling, and I never SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 7157 4A7MSAT3 1 thought of them as such, and I know the Court does not. 2 From the outset I appreciated the opportunity to serve 3 in this case because I saw it as a test of the most important 4 values that have surrounded not just political society, but my 5 profession. And that's why I appreciate the opportunity, 6 regardless of the outcome today, to address the Court again on 7 these issues. Thank you. |